Sept 2008 ROI 5.40%

DebInVenice on October 20th, 2008


Loan value of 4+ month late loans totals $553.00 an increase of $8.68 since last month, got to love Prosper accounting for bad loans. Slight improvement from last month $704.55 - $553.00 is $151.55. But then there are two loans in the 3 month late category that will flip over next month.

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Prosper.com - 10/15/08 late loan stats update

fred93 on October 17th, 2008

Here's the october 15th, 2008 update to to my Prosper.com late loan statistics charts.

These charts show statistics for the performance of all prosper.com loans. Each curve represents the set of loans that were created in one calendar month. The vertical axis is the fraction of those loans that have "gone bad", in other words are 1 month late or worse (up to and including default). The horizontal axis is the observation date. All data comes from Prosper.com's performance web page.

A larger, more readable version of that chart can be found here

08/01/08 small late loan chart

Here's a chart of the same data in which each curve has been slid to the left to a common origin. The horizontal axis is now days since loan origination month.

10/15/08 slid

Explanation of methodology can be found in my prior postings in this blog.

These curves show loans that are >1 month late, however, you can read them as "default curves" because almost all Prosper.com loans that go 1 month late move on to default.  See my discussion of Prosper's collections performance in earlier blog entries.

We continue to see horribly misleading newspaper and magazine articles saying that the default rate on Prosper loans is 3% or 4% or something like that.  Investors can only make reasonable investment decisions after understanding the default behavior of Prosper.com loans.  Prosper loans default at about 20% per year.  You can clearly see this from the charts.  Pick your favorite month.  Look how high the curve has gone after the first year.  About 20%, eh?  Prosper loans default at about 20% per year, on the average, considering all Prosper loans.  There is considerable variation from month to month.  Look at the final chart, where the curves are slid to a common origin.  Just look at the vertical line labelled 390 days.  (That's 30 days after 360 days, because loan payments can't be 1 month late until you wait 30 days after.)  You will see curves cross that line anywhere from 18% to 26%.  (Some of the more recent months look like they will come in a little lower.)  That's how many loans went bad in the first year.  Pretty simple really.  Journalists seem to get it wrong time after time.  Somebody must be feedin' them bad info, eh?  Perhaps they just copy bad data from each other.

At the time of this writing, prosper.com has shut down due to some not fully specified regulatory problem.  Meanwhile, the ongoing loans still evolve, and the data is still available, so I will continue to update this charts.

PS: The best discussion among Prosper.com lenders can be found at http://prospers.org/

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It’s been a strange month for the financial services industry as a whole and the burgeoning industry of Social Lending is no exception.
These last few weeks have seen  a number of major announcements in the Social Lending space including the following:

Zopa US announced that it has restructured its operation in the US in collaboration  with [...]

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The pace of registration with regulatory authorities for social lending companys in North America continues to heat up.  Following fast on the heels of the LendingClub announcement, Prosper have sent an email to members with this note that they are no longer accepting lender registrations, pending regulatory approvals.
Lending Club Reopens to Lenders while Prosper Shuts [...]

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Lending Club have come out of their quiet period with an astounding announcement for themselves and social lending. 
Lendingclub blog
Today, we’re delighted to announce that we have completed this process and are now available to both borrowers and lenders. We believe that this SEC registration is a major step forward for the Lending Club community [...]

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Prosper Account Balances are FDIC Insured

DebInVenice on October 10th, 2008

While America becomes a nation of privatizing profits and socializing losses, Prosper account balances are FDIC insured.

The recent financial markets meltdowns are causing a global panic. If you are a Prosper lender, you can rest assured that your Prosper cash balances are FDIC insured.

Prosper itself is not a bank and does not take deposits but the funds that lenders keep with Prosper are held at Wells Fargo Bank which is FDIC insured.

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It is a little sad that we see Zopa US close shop apparently following the participating Credit Unions inability to adequately fund the loans.  We had always known the US Zopa was an entirely different model, with the Credit Unions being the sole lenders, and then the credit crisis came along.  Nonetheless we will miss [...]

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The Canadian banks choose to rebel against the Government of Canada direction to reduce interest rates.  The Central Bank dropped rates by a half percentage point indicating concern about the economy and in an attempt to ease credit.  However the Canadian Banks are choosing to keep 50% of the drop for themselves.  Story at the [...]

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While there is a general assessment that the US and European banking crisis will rub off on Canada, and provoke a recession, possible later in 2008, or early 2009, UBS acknowledge that Canada is in relatively good economic condition which will mollify the impact on the country.
Recession? You don’t say | Globe and Mail
“An important [...]

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10 Q&A up on MoneyAisle.com

Colin on October 6th, 2008

MoneyAisle is a unique service, only for the US at the moment.  It allows retail savers to place their needs, and competing banks will bid for their business.  Even if you are in Canada, you can try the demo out without registering.
Anyhow I was thrilled to be asked to give my 10c worth on [...]

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